diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/.session/session_login b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/session_login
new file mode 100755
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/session_login
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+#!/bin/bash
+log=$HOME/.session/session.log
+&>> $log
+echo $USER $HOME
+echo "lightdm login setup $(date)" 
+
+# example commands to run when logging in, here binding some other directories for the user
+#echo "binding chromium browsers to .browsers"
+#/usr/bin/bindfs --map=sysadmin/$USER:@users/@$USER /opt/chromium/default $HOME/.browsers/default
+# bind alternate downloads directory
+#/usr/bin/bindfs --map=sysadmin/$USER:@users/@$USER  /data/downloads $HOME/Downloads
+
diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/.session/session_logout b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/session_logout
new file mode 100755
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/session_logout
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+#!/bin/bash
+log=$HOME/.session/session.log
+&>> $log
+echo $USER $HOME
+echo "lightdm logout cleanup $(date)" 
+# example complimentary cleanup here unmounting those mounted in session_login 
+#echo "un mounting chromium browsers from .browsers" 
+#/bin/fusermount -u $HOME/.browsers/default
+#/bin/fusermount -u  $HOME/Downloads
diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/.session/slogin b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/slogin
new file mode 100755
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/slogin
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+#!/bin/bash
+# run the session login script manually, used for debugging
+sudo -E HOME=$HOME USER=$USER ./session_login
diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/.session/slogout b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/slogout
new file mode 100755
index 0000000..b90e33a
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/.session/slogout
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+#!/bin/bash
+# run the session logout script manually, used for debugging
+sudo -E HOME=$HOME USER=$USER /bin/bash session_logout 
+
diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/50-setup-cleanup.conf b/all/modules/lightdm/50-setup-cleanup.conf
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..adf4c8e
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/50-setup-cleanup.conf
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+[Seat:*]
+session-cleanup-script=/opt/scripts/lightdm-cleanup.sh
+session-setup-script=/opt/scripts/lightdm-setup.sh
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diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/cpy.session.sh b/all/modules/lightdm/cpy.session.sh
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/cpy.session.sh
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+#!/bin/bash
+
+function confirm()
+{
+    echo -n "$@ "
+    read -e answer
+    for response in y Y yes YES Yes Sure sure SURE OK ok Ok
+    do
+        if [ "_$answer" == "_$response" ]
+        then
+            return 0
+        fi
+    done
+
+    # Any answer other than the list above is considered a "no" answer
+    return 1
+}
+
+if [[ -d $HOME/.session ]]; then
+echo $HOME/.session folder already exists
+confirm "!overwrite??? (y/n)" || exit
+/bin/cp -r -f $HOME/.session/  $HOME/.session-saved/
+echo saved copy first to $HOME/.session-saved
+fi 
+echo copying .session from $(pwd) to $HOME
+/bin/cp -r -f .session/  $HOME
+echo setting execute permissions
+chmod +x $HOME/.session/* 
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diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/lightdm-cleanup.sh b/all/modules/lightdm/lightdm-cleanup.sh
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..d63c247
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/lightdm-cleanup.sh
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+#!/bin/bash
+echo "cleanup for ${USER}:${HOME} $(date)" >> /opt/scripts/lightdm.log
+log=${HOME}/.session.log
+if [[ -e $HOME/.session_logout ]]; then su -c "/bin/bash $HOME/.session_logout 1>>${log} 2>>${log} || true" $USER; fi
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diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/lightdm-setup.sh b/all/modules/lightdm/lightdm-setup.sh
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..69adc97
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/lightdm-setup.sh
@@ -0,0 +1,4 @@
+#!/bin/bash
+echo "setup for ${USER}:${HOME} $(date)" >> /opt/scripts/lightdm.log
+log=${HOME}/.session.log
+if [[ -e $HOME/.session_login ]]; then su -c "/bin/bash $HOME/.session_login 1>>${log} 2>>${log} || true" $USER; fi
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diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/loginout-install.sh b/all/modules/lightdm/loginout-install.sh
new file mode 100755
index 0000000..94efcce
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/loginout-install.sh
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+#!/bin/bash
+loginout_install() {
+    module_load confirm
+    module_load helpers
+
+    [[ ! $(systemctl list-units | grep lightdm) ]] && echo lightdm not running on this machine, aborting && return
+
+     SDIR=$(adirname "$0")
+
+    pushd $SDIR &> /dev/null || exit
+    [[ ! -d  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d ]] && mkdir -p  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d
+    echo copying  50-setup-cleanup.conf to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d
+    sudo cp -f 50-setup-cleanup.conf /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d
+
+    if [[ ! -d  /opt/scripts ]]; then
+     if [[ ! $(mkdir -p  /opt/scripts) ]]; then 
+       _sudo="sudo"
+       [[ $($_sudo mkdir -p /opt/scripts) ]] && echo can not make /opt/scripts, aborting && return 
+       fi
+     fi  
+
+    echo copying  lightdm-cleanup.sh and lightdm-setup.sh to /opt/scripts
+    $_sudo cp -f  lightdm-*.sh /opt/scripts
+
+     
+    popd >/dev/null
+
+    _user=${1:-${USER}}
+    confirm "add a user .session folder for $_user" && add_user_session $1
+
+
+}
+
+function add_user_session {
+
+    module_load confirm
+    module_load helpers
+
+    SDIR=$(adirname "$0")
+    # echo source directory: $SDIR
+
+    pushd $SDIR &> /dev/null || exit
+
+    _user=${1:-${USER}}
+
+    [[ ! $(user_exists $_user) ]]  && echo user $_user does not exist, aborting && return
+    _home=$(bash -c "cd ~$(printf %q $_user) && pwd")
+
+    echo making $_home/.session folder for $_user
+    # mkdir $USER/.session
+
+    sudo -H -E -u "$_user" -s /bin/bash cpy.session.sh
+
+    popd >/dev/null
+
+
+# confirm "do you want to install WidevineCDM for digital streaming rights?"
+# if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
+#     module_load widevine-install
+#     widevine_install
+# fi
+
+
+}
+
+# if script was executed then call the function
+(return 0 2>/dev/null) || loginout_install $@
diff --git a/all/modules/lightdm/readme.md b/all/modules/lightdm/readme.md
new file mode 100644
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+++ b/all/modules/lightdm/readme.md
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+
+Lightdm (gdm) is the login manager for linux ubuntu and mint (by default)
+
+If you need setup and cleanup that is ONLY done at lightdm login/logout then
+one can run a script to setup and cleanup the session by 
+
+running the loginout-install script, requires sudo
+
+`module_load loginout-install; loginout_install <user>`  # default is current user
+
+after loading common scripts this will ask if you want to add the .session folder for the user
+
+or if you just need to add a user .session folder afterward
+
+`module_load loginout-install; add_user_session <user>` 
+
+
+the script does this
+
+in `/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d`  adds a file `50-setup-cleanup.conf`
+
+```
+[Seat:*]
+session-cleanup-script=/opt/scripts/lightdm-cleanup.sh
+session-setup-script=/opt/scripts/lightdm-setup.sh
+```
+
+in /opt/scripts put two files below and make sure they are +x executable
+
+```
+#!/bin/bash
+#lightdm-setup.sh
+echo "setup for ${USER}:${HOME} $(date)" >> /opt/scripts/lightdm.log
+log=${HOME}/.session.log
+if [[ -e $HOME/.session_login ]]; then su -c "/bin/bash $HOME/.session_login 1>>${log} 2>>${log} || true" $USER; fi
+```
+
+```
+#!/bin/bash
+#lightdm-cleanup.sh
+echo "cleanup for ${USER}:${HOME} $(date)" >> /opt/scripts/lightdm.log
+log=${HOME}/.session.log
+if [[ -e $HOME/.session_logout ]]; then su -c "/bin/bash $HOME/.session_logout 1>>${log} 2>>${log} || true" $USER; fi
+```
+
+then in the user home puts
+`.session_login`  and `.session_logout` files both executable
+in those you can do anything like bindfs and fusermount -u 
+
+make sure you restart lightdm or reboot
+`sdr lightdm`
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